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.o.p. says $800 billion. number three, obama wants spending cuts deferred. g.o.p. wants specific cuts agreed to now. number four, g.o.p. wants wide entitlement cuts. obama says no. i will give you another one. number five, obama wants new stimulus money, the g.o.p. says no. >> okay, which one, what do you want me to address? >> i want to know whether those are all resolvable before the new year? >> yes, this re resolvable. on the debt limit, it was a republican idea when president bush was in the power to raise the debt limit, which is to pay bills that have already been accrued, and that the congress could override it. the congress could object. and mitch mcconnell put that bill forward on the floor this week, thinking he was going to embarrass democratic leader reed, and reed said let's go ahead and vote. it and so then mcconnell filibustered his own bill because he got afraid the democrats had the votes for it. so that's the kind of maneuvering that is going on. childish. >> yes, childish. very childish. former republican majority leader trent lott told cnn's anderson cooper how he had a
will restore some of the defense cuts made by the sequester. i will be -- the obama tax cuts will replace the bush tax cuts. >> do you think bainer is getting hoodwinked on this? >> it's hard for me to see how the republicans emerge from this well. they are turning the retreat they began november 6th into a republican route i think right now because in their hearts they don't believe what they are doing is right. >> so what do they do? >> it's like a doctor coming in and saying, look, you can give this kidney more heroin, it will kill him. that's what is hurting them and the other doctors come in and say we have to steady and put him on a diet of a little more of this stuff and the other doctor said, no, i'm not going to help you out, i'm not doing that. >> that's what the conservatives in the house are saying to boehner we are going the wrong way. >> then you go off the cliff and go exactly what you said. >> it would be a terrible blow. what the republicans should have done in the beginning is mr. president what do we agree on? we agree on cuts. that's the only thing they agree on. they
along with president obama. they want major cuts in entitlement programs in return. tahman bradley joins us from washington with more. >> reporter: sunny and john, good morning. with time running out, president obama and speaker boehner are negotiating directly. congress needs a bill soon. president obama is back on the road today, peddling his plan to avoid the so called fis kalg cliff. in washington, republicans and democrats remain far from a deal. sunday, small sign of hope. mr. obama and john boehner meet together. a source said, i would be a little enjournlged. not greatly, but a little. republicans may be ready to compromise on tax hikes for the rich. >> there's a growing group of folks looking at this and saying, we don't have a lot of cards in regards to the tax issue. >> reporter: some are open to more tax revenues. the two parties seem to be closer on entitlement, with one leading democrats saying he's open to means testing for medicare. >> i do believe there should be means testing. those of us with higher income and retirement should may more. >> reporter: if washington can'
with president obama. they want major cuts in entitlement programs in return. tahman bradley joins us from washington with more. >> reporter: sunny and john, good morning. with time running out, president obama and speaker boehner are negotiating directly. congress needs a bill soon. president obama is back on the road today, peddling his plan to avoid the so called fis kalg cliff. in washington, republicans and democrats remain far from a deal. sunday, small sign of hope. mr. obama and john boehner meet together. a source said, i would be a little enjournlged. not greatly, but a little. republicans may be ready to compromise on tax hikes for the rich. >> there's a growing group of folks looking at this and saying, we don't have a lot of cards in regards to the tax issue. >> reporter: some are open to more tax revenues. the two parties seem to be closer on entitlement, with one leading democrats saying he's open to means testing for medicare. >> i do believe there should be means testing. those of us with higher income and retirement should may more. >> reporter: if washington can't reach
health care and cuts in discretionary spending. other than that, no specifics. president obama wasn't feeling it. he said the gop must agree to one thing to get anywhere close do a deal. >>. >> wee going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> speaker boehner fired back. >> this week, we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now, we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> so, here we are, just over three weeks from going over the fiscal cliff. you're probably getting a lot of stuff around the house this weekend wondering what the heck is going on in these houses in washington. this is the worst of american politics. they put themselves and their political games first and put your future and prosperity second, but hey, you voted them into office. remember what happened the last time washington got into a budget battle like this? lawmakers put a band-aid on the problem and the u.s. lost its aaa crediting rating. i've warned you over and over about the economi
and closer to current levels in 1986. president obama wants the tax cuts to expire for the wealthy only, kicking up their rate to 39.6%. a 4.6% uptick for households making more than $250,000 a year only on every dollar they make above $250,000, it's why it's called the marginal tax rate. only on the money you make on the margin. steven moore is ready to jump out of his skin after i just said what i said. david k. johnson is a pulitzer prize winning journalist. his latest big, how big companies use plain english to rob you blind. steven, while i agree that every penny counts when it comes to your own money, when you compare the taxes most americans paid out in past decades, i don't get why republicans are screaming bloody murder about this. what would be so bad with the wealthest chipping in just a little bit more? >> when you showed that chart of the tax rates and that was exactly accurate. we had 70% rates in the 1970s. by the way, that didn't turn out so well, then we cut the rates significantly. 50%, then 28 and then the rates went up to 35%. but i would love to see you super impose
to also have spenning cuts. that is where obama is running out the clock. as nina indicated prominent democrats are saying we won't move on major issues on any entitlement reform. you get the president offered about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years. this is a government that is going to spen over the decade about $45 trillion. it has $16 trillion in debt an offering half a trillion in cuts. not serious. and unless obama moves on that nothing will happen. we are going over niagara falls. >> chris: i won't be here tomorrow. bret thankfully will be back but my guess is he will ask about the tortoise race and what is ahead by a neck. >> chris: neck and neck right now. >> chris: that is it for panel. but stay tuned for look at unusual christmas doings at the white house. let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like lerty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and free refills. it put a man on the moon and a phon
imminent if we don't cut spending and entitlements . obama is a bully, inflection i believe, making demands we can't accept because his demands involve spending increases, no spending reductions, tax increases on two percent of people who won't do anything with revenues. it's totally unacceptable. at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to get a told of this pr machine and paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage. no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage to his reckless spending and cynical refusal to enter the entitlement reform game. >> i don't even want to hear more about taxes. juan, shaking your head. >> i hear you, gentlemen. you guys are wonderful. merry christmas. but sean you said hyperpartisanship, and david talks about inflexibility. you know, and i'm thinking to myself, gee, where have i seen this before? i see it on the r
night. mr. obama has cut his demand for new revenue from tax hikes but continues to insist on higher taxes for the wealthy. boehner's counter offer was almost what republicans have been offering all along, $800 billion in tax revenues, none of them generated by higher tax rates. that stalemate is causing irritation for the senate female members. starting in january, there will be 20 of them, a new record. and they told diane sawyer if they were in charge, well, a deal would already be done. >> what i find is with all due deference to our male colleagues that women's styles tend to be more collaborative. >> i think by nature, we are less confrontational and more collaborative. and having us in the room, and i think all of us, not only do we want to work in a bipartisan way, we do it. >> certainly a turning point now for the senate in the chamber next year. it will be the first-ever females from the states of massachusetts and nebraska, as well as the first asian-american woman and the first openly gay senator as well. >> let's hear it for the girls. >> let's hear it for all that diver
or not speaker boehner can deliver votes. the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as oppose eed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social
and renewal of the civil war. if that is the case. if the mission is not a success, if obama had cut back and never speaks about this, this is never in consciousness of the nation there has never been war in our history where a president speaks less about and garners less support of behalf of real, on going operation where americans are dying. if that is our mission, which is minimal, getting out, why are the brave soldiers dying? >> bret: juan? >> i don't think it's the democrats that are not talking about the war. go to republican convention. the nominee didn't talk about afghanistan. i think real issue here is what can the united states rationally expect to accomplish before leaving. we have been there ten years and now the white of our tails show as we run away. we have been there. it's cost us lives and cost us another life. you can see that a good american doctor was there trying to help in terms of the rural clinic. no shortal of american commitment to afghanistan. the problem is not only americans but people who come before tried to stay and we have seen results. there is no way t
, not true. obama went to cut $5 billion off medicare. not true. a lot of his key arguments and of course the jeep ad at the end which has been declared the number one lie of the year. >> the one that offends me the most is the apology tour. it's foundational. he's putting that down in the ground. and i want to get joan in here. he puts that down and says sort of his takeoff platform. he's apologizing but i'll be a robust patriot. i'll defend america against anything foe or friend because i'm a real american. and this guy because he recognizes we live in a world of other countries that are decent countries. they're not all the enemy out there. this right wing attitude it's just us or just us and israel against all these evil third world people and they're just crazy about that. it's so dangerous. >> to finish this point for one second. the thing is -- and this is what ornstein was saying too. that his campaign was based on a lot of major big sweeping lies. now, you can look at obama and point out that he made a mistake, misrepresented obama's policy in this way and that way. but that the
to speak of. no discussion of spending cuts. obama wants even more spending increases. and a lot of republicans, conservatives, are saying you know what? we don't want a tax hike at all. we give boehner credit but we don't want a tax hike. this is not the time. it's a very anemic economy. let's just let the democrats have their tax hike and we'll be done with it. other than that, jimmy, i don't think this thing gets done. that's what i'm coming around to. >> well, i think that there's a chance to that. a chance for that to happen in the scenario that you just described. but i don't think that is what happens. frankly, i think with the vice president saying today that the issue of whether the top rate is 39.6 or 37 it's really doesn't matter. that was a huge olive branch as our colleague just said. this is a signal, a smoke signal like a vatican smoke signal sent from the administration to speaker boehner today. >> but that's been out there before. >> i understand that. >> there's only a handful of republicans, what are you going to get, a percentage point? mark seimone, boehner w
, is is the b plan -- $25.2 trillion by 2022. mr. obama wants $350 billn in entitlement cuts over the next ten years, mr. boehner wants $800 billion in entitlement cuts, and we're going to see a big, dramatic negotiation. and whatou and i is -- and all of our fellow americans are looking at is the prospect of a recession next year if the president and mr. boehner can't come to an agreement, as much as a 10% unemployment rate because both this president and the republican party, as you can see here, are playing at the margin. and the national media is not focusing on what the realy is. they're just playing games right in washingn.he folks in office andhis president is guilty of class warfare. fo what? for that? are you kidding me? president obama seems to love the drama. i thought he dn't like drama. but the reality iss there will e is little impa our fiscal future. and as nation, after all of the drama and whatever the outcome, we remain in geat jeopardy. because this isn't a fiscal future any of us, any of us wants. >>> morsi declares martial law in gypt and claims he's not a dictator. the
testing. >> governor romney agreed, and if you look at president obama's proposal for medicare cuts, there is means testing in that. i think we need both tax revenue, and we need much more than what tax reform will get us, we also need higher tax rates, and spending cuts. it has to be balanced. i'm optimistic, it feels to me like they're coming to a middle ground. >> i don't see that. right now when i listen to the democrats, i'm hearing no cuts in medicare, medicaid, social security, some are saying it's not even a problem -- >> they kind of don't matter at this point, right? >> they don't matter, but we talk so much about the politics within the republican party, and within the republican caucus of the house, and talk to seen your democrats and they will tell you, rank and file democrats, emanuel cleaver, who is the tom cole of the left, it will be hard for them at the end of the day to say you'll have to give on raising the eligibility age for medicare. that's not easy for democrats to swallow. >> the deals that were made, recently, have not been from the right and the left. the
.8, oh, no, that's going to get cut down. it'll amount to $25.4 trillion. if, we'll call it obama wins. the national media waiting for that one. that's what's going to be. it's going to be a really dramatic -- you know, i ought to just trace that line, the change and show you exactly how it changes. this is how that line changes over the course of the next ten years, if the president wins. unfortunately, neither party is offering a serious proposal to trim either our deficit or our debt. the obama plan has $2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next ten years. the boehner plan goes for $2 trillion in deficit reduction, boehner wants, oh, yeah, he's going to kkck tail, all right? we're going to get $2.2 billion in the spending of this country. let me rephrase that. that'll be a $2.2 trillion reduction in the total planned spending. the growth of our spending will alter, it'll be just about that line right there. we're potentially looking at the republican plan, well, in 2020, i guess the best way to show you is just how tough it is. we'll only have a deficit and a debt, a national de
the 50% of the vote in november. >>> obama is taking his message of middle class tax cuts on the road. he tomorrow he'll tour a diesel engine shop. >>> have you every fallen asleep while watching tv only to be blasted awake by a loud ad. >> wow! that's a low price! >> i know! >> weeeee! >> starting thursday, the commercial advertisement loudness mitigation act, better known as calm goes into effect. the law which congress passed in 2010, bans ads from being louder than the tv program their interrupting. >>> we'll talk about that presidential trip to michigan and what he'll say about the large show showdown there after these not so large commercials. [ male announcer ] break the grip of back or arthritis pain with odor free aspercreme. powerful medicine relieves pain fast, with no odor. so all you notice is relief. aspercreme. >>> we are back with steven moore and jackie calms, michigan in this sort of methodic, at least in terms of the political times right now t electric chur passes a right to work law in michigan, kind of at least one of the cradles of the union and it would mean that y
are in favor of a tax cut? i don't feel that's moving too much to the center. >> mathematical sense, what obama has said is he wants to extend 98% of the tax cuts. he's also said i want to cut medicare in some ways and social security maybe later. but those are big ideological victories for the republican party, if you come to think about it. a lot of democrats would rather not think about cuts, they'd want to continue to do stimulus spending. >> the 2% they don't agree on is so important and symbolic for the democrats and something that president obama campaigned on and feels that, you know, he has a mandate to do, which is to raise taxes on the top 2%. >> to your point, jane, there's a sense of an emotional investment in not getting these top marginal tax cuts extended. i want to play sound from harry reid this morning on the floor. you get a sense the republican resistance is theater, but there is a genuine belief they cannot extend these things. let's listen to harry reid. >> how many times is charlie brown going to try to kick that football, because we know every time he approaches that fo
address, president obama signaled he is open to making cuts on programs like medicare and medicaid if republicans agree to raise tax rates for the rich. >> i'm willing to find ways to bring down the cost of health care without hurting seniors and other americans who depend on it. and i'm willing to make more entitlement spendings cuts on top of the $1 trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. >> reporter: his remarks came one day after house speaker john boehner announced the talkes were stalled. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to be report. >> reporter: his democratic counter-part ploals blamed boehner for the stalemate. >> what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> reporter: such is the state of negotiations 23 days before the deadline when federal income tax rates will revert to higher clinton-era leveles, a 2% payroll tax cut will expire, and long-term unemployment benefits will dry up for over two million americans who have been out of work for six months or more. on friday boehner did not rule out a
obama cut a deal, it will pass the senate and the house no matter what nancy pelosi wants. >> i disagree with that. >> we have agreed so far on almost everything so. >> not here to necessarily agree. >> not 95, '96, gingrich who could dictate. if john boehner did which was walk into the caucus and say accept this or i am leaving, they will say bye. same thing with obama. the democratic caucus thinks they have the leverage >> bill: 20 minutes. here stan collender lendcollender. i am going to ask you about apple announcing that they are going to have a whole new line of computer manufacturing in the united states and what that means leading up to the job numbers at the bottom of the hour. "full-court press," friday december 7th. >> this is the if you recall court press. , the bill res show live on your radio and on current t.v. street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things everyday exploding around the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i wa
. well, 28 days to go until tax cuts expire for most americans if president obama and congress can't cut a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the
, not irresponsible entitlements. that gets a pass. it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberat
, in washington. >> reporter: in his saturday weekly address, president obama signaled he is open to making cuts on programs like medicare and medicaid if republicans agree to raise tax rates for the rich. >> i am willing to find way to bring down the cost of health care without hurting seniors and other american who is depend on it. i am willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the $1 trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. >> his talks came after speaker of the house john boehner reported the talks are stalled. >> there is no progress to report. >> his democratic counterpart, pelosi, blames bangle they returned an -- blames boehner. >> they returned an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> federal income tax rates will go back up to the higher clinton era levels and long term unemployment benefits will dry up for over 2 million americans who have been out of work for six months or more. on friday bade boehner did not rule out a compromise on tax hikes for top earner, somewhere between 25% and the clinton era 36%. even if the two sides are making progress behin
on the entitlement cuts that president obama has laid out or more entitlement cuts, but something. i think john boehner has to go back to his members and say look, president obama won the election, polling suggests we republicans lose if we go over the cliff, and i got this one thing that's going to mitigate your unhappiness over the fact that we're moving up rates on the wealthiest americans. he needs the third part to sell the whole package. >> and david, there is a jobs report today which sort of mixed news for everyone. it's a good number, down to 7.7%, unemployment, 146,000 new jobs added but the downside is that fewer people were in the labor force a lot fewer, because people gave up on even trying. >> i think this is one of the more provocative questions and get to it on sunday, which is, are we too focused on the debt. are we not focused enough on what the government can be doing to try to spur job growth? beyond just -- >> there was a stimulus piece in the offer from the white house that was laughed at by the -- >> laughed at but could end up surviving. one of the things about the pres
care and cuts in discretionary spending. other than that, no specifics. president obama said the gop must agree to one thing to get anywhere close to a deal. >> we have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to get a deal without it. >> speaker boehner fired back. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now we need a response from the white house. we can't negotiate with ourselves. >> here we are just weeks away from going over the fiscal cliff. you probably wonder what's going on in these houses in washington. they put themselves and their political gains first and put their future in prosperity second. hey, you voted them in. remember what happened the last time washington got into a budget battle like this? lawmakers put a band aid on the problem and the u.s. lost its aaa credit rating in the process. i warned you about the economic storm headed our way, partly because of europe and partly because of this fiscal cliff. i also told you about an american economic renaissance that could be just ahead. just beyond the storm clouds. the fiscal
cliff. >> reporter: in his saturday weekly address, president obama signaled he is open to making cuts in programs like medicare and medicaid if republicans agree to raise tax rates for the rich. >> i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the $1 trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. >> reporter: his remarks came one day after house speaker boehner announced the talks were stalled. >> well, this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. >> reporter: his democratic counterpart nancy pelosi blamed boehner for the stalemate. >> what they offered in return was an empty letter, lacking in specifics. >> reporter: such is the state of negotiations, 23 days before the deadline, when federal income tax will revert to higher levels, and long-term unemployment benefits will dry up for over two million americans who have been out of work for six months or more. on friday, boehner did not rule out a compromise on a tax hike for top earners, somewhere between today's 35% rate and the clinton era's 39.6%. >> there are a lot of things that are
wanted. republicans haven't moved at all on spending. they are saying we want you, president obama, to tell us what spending cuts we should propose. that's not the way it works. you are the people who ran all year long saying we need to cut more in spending. tell us where you want to cut, republicans. that's not what president obama ran on. he ran on raising the top tax rate for the top 2%. that's what he wanted to do and what he should focus on. >> let me play what the president said in a new interview with abc regarding taxes. let's play it. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to mick sure that taxes go up on high end individuals. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> our team points out that we see the white house is being cautiously optimistic about a deal while the house republicans are cautiously pessimistic. we still have a ways to go. as you heard the president say, time is running out. what do we make. warning to house republicans that we could be working through the holidays
gathered inside the statehouse saying the law could lead to big pay cuts. yesterday, president obama spoke out against it forcefully. 23 states, the ones in yellow, have the right-to-work laws. to pass in the state of michigan is a huge development. that is the heart of organized labor. a defeat there could signal trouble if unions across the nation. we have mike tobin from the capital in lansing. what is the status of the legislation? >>reporter: a bill regarding right-to-work for public sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk. a similar bill for private employees is hung up by a motion to reconsider which needs to be approved by the legislature falling on party lines. the motion will fail. it is a way of saying the bill related to private sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk but taking a longer time to get there. the democratic leadership will admit right-to-work is going to be a reality in the cradle of organized labor. >>shepard: what is the scene like? >>reporter: it is calmed down. there was a dustup earlier. there was only one other incident, a female
and spending cuts. president obama's core demand is putting the top marginal income rates back to clinton era levels after december 1st while the house speaker delivered a proposal that offered up to $800 billion in new revenue from closing loopholes and capping deductions for wealthier americans. however, democrats insist the speaker's plan is not enough. >> fox 5 political analyst mark plotkin joining us now to help sort out what went on between the president and house speaker john boehner today. it was looking pretty hopeless friday, now this, so what has actually changed? >> this is actual progress. you remember house speaker boehner said i'm here to give you a progress report. that was on friday, no progress and now they're actually meeting and you're hearing from republican senators and these are not far left wing republicans like senator corker of tennessee and senator colburn. you can't get any more conservative from oklahoma and congressman tom cole of oklahoma saying look, maybe these rate increases we should do something. maybe they won't go up to 39.6, but they'll go above 36, may
political position. when we go over the cliff as matter of law the obama tax cuts expire. we have sequestration where these drastic cuts take place but the president politically knows that even if it a deal is made in january, february on spending they can be made retroactively. so the president believes he is in a much better position on spending than he is today in making a deal because any deal that they make will be retroactive. adam: let me flip your logic. do you think politically i don't think it would be good economically, politically good for the republicans to call the bluff, go over the cliff. yes, there is short-term pain come 2014, midterm's election the president's economy. the president gets responsibility for what happens after the cliff drops. wouldn't that be the political move to make if you're john boehner? >> we really have no choice. president is in the driver's seat and boehner is hostage in the back seat with the president with his foot on the gas. nothing the speaker can do, other than perhaps, i think it would be politically wise for the house to pass a b
that the spending cuts go up and become more immediate. considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations and says he is open to it now and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it will not take too much to get their, although there are still obstacles. host: the $1.60 trillion and $800 billion are the opening numbers. where are we with those numbers now. have those numbers been altered? guest: i do not know if republicans have gone above $800. the question will be, will obama be able to get above $800. once you start talking about the $1 trillion number, that is a politically sensitive number. obama might want to get above $1 trillion. republicans will want to keep it below $1 to win. host: are the senate ways and means and finance committees involved in these discussions? guest: sam bachus, the ways and means chairman, they're keeping in touch. their staff are very involved, because they're the guys who know all about taxes. they are definitely going to be involved in negotiations, even if they are sligh
differences, that is the assessment from house speaker john boehner, saying he and president obama have their work cut out for them, is it time to get counselling, here is what some are tweeting the show. jason said, congress members are all spoiled and bratty kids, they need a firm hand to their back side, they should get paid for what they get done, no more salary. >> they need to get their heads out of politics and do what is right for the country. >> and does congress need counselling? 90% said yes, 10% said no. must have been their parents,. >> dave writes, medicare and social security are retirement programs we've been paying into for 40 years. >> i am 73 years old, and am sick of off
. >> speaker boehner said he'd waiting on president obecause mo -- obama to outline the spending cuts. that's a strange thing for the speaker to say. president obama outlined specific cuts in his proposal to the republicans. while republicans have not offered anything specific in cuts whatsoever, and of course nothing specific in revenue whatsoever. all generalizations. the republicans want more spending cuts, tell us what you want. that's what i say to them. we can't read their minds. we're not going to make the proposal for them. republicans know perfectly well that democrats are willing to make tough choices on these issues, if in fact they understand, which i hope they do by now, that we're going to look out for the middle class first. the only thing standing in the way of an agreement is republicans. their insistence on holding tax cuts for middle class families hostage to the fiscal cliff. there's a lot of bluster coming from republicans but that facade is crumbling quickly. every day we read about more republicans breaking rank, calling on the speaker to allow tax rates to rise on th
cliff hostage. and that's really unacceptable. president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising those two tax is bad economics, bad for jobs, going to hurt the economy. i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> does he have a point? are democrats really prepared to deal with entitlement reform to maybe substantive cuts, the kinds the republicans are calling for? >> chris, hail by barbour mentione
that obama will have to come to the table with more spending cuts and entitlement reform and republicans might have to give in to some tax increases and the cbo do a recent report, saying if republicans get what they want in extending the entire bush tax cut plan. it would only increase the gd growth by 1.5%. if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for before president obama was in office. and as i said before, he has, with the house republicans has already signed in law a trillion dollars in cut. and he'll do more. and i think that's encouraging and i think that shows he's willing to be plexable there, to angela's point which i agree with, a lot of what
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